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Segui le sue seduteNils Ušakovs
Thank you, Chair.
Dear colleagues, it doesn't come as a great surprise to us that Council cuts the Commission's proposal. This happens actually every year, but the scope and the reasoning behind the cuts this year raise certain questions. The 50/50 benchmark split between available flexibilities in the budget and the EURI special instrument is seemingly maintained by the Council. However, the Commission had already introduced reductions to programs in order to create these said available flexibilities in the draft budget. Now Council proposes to cut flagship programs even further.
This is not the spirit of the cascade mechanism and the gentlemen's agreement as well, which should use available already flexibilities and not those created for this purpose, especially when the EURI instrument shows major unused amounts which could easily cover the full overruns of the EURI line. Let me insist that this is not serious nor is it prudent budgeting. In the last year of the MFF, with more than 5 billion euro of decommitments available, how can Council claim it prudent to put programs into strain, use available margins, exhaust special instruments rather than calling on the decommitments which by definition cannot be used in case of emergencies, which we all know will happen next year, whether we want it or not?
Council also cuts the EURI line by 180 million euro, once again without any explanation nor justification on how it reached this number.
Interpreters asking for slowing down.
Sorry, yeah, I will do my best. The spirit of the MFF revision was to enable the budget authority to refinance the borrowing costs without having to reduce the flagship programs. But neither Commission nor Council proposes mobilizing the Ukraine support loan instrument. Is that really prudent? The European Parliament takes a responsible stance when it comes to servicing our debts and paying the interest costs in time to the investors.
My understanding is that the Council's approach was to look at the 2024 figure and if the draft budget amount was higher to simply cut it. This reveals that the Council doesn't use budgetary criteria like absorption, nor political criteria like lower priority. It shows that the only way to get a majority is a sterile across-the-board haircut which does a lot of harm to small budget lines without delivering major savings. Programs have a financing profile built into the financial programming, therefore year-on-year comparisons are useful only up to a point.
Let me also remind everyone here something on budget lines subject to the reinforcement under Article 5 of the MFF revision. The reinforcements were a political choice to assign more resources to specific programs, not to enable cuts in the budgetary procedure. Here are some of the programs cut by Council. Horizon, our flagship which is demonstrably oversubscribed and which has a measurable impact on growth, competitiveness and jobs. CEF minus 47 million when we all know that energy and digital are increasingly strategic.
EU4Health is cut by 41 million euro after the program was cut by 1 billion during the MFF revision. Council also cut 74.5 million out of the cluster health of Horizon, while resilient healthcare systems are a cornerstone of social cohesion and economic stability and we need to be ready against any future pandemic.
Again, cut to a flagship and highly successful program, Erasmus, cut by 159 million euro on top of the Commission downward adjustment of 357 million euro and 62 million euro of further downward adjustment in the draft budget 2027. External action: increase of appropriations by humanitarian aid by 10 million euro are welcomed, but compensation to this increase is unacceptable. Decreases have been made across the other lines in Heading 6. This is not understandable given the urgent needs, and we were told that 2 billion euro of decommitments will compensate the cuts during the MFF revision, but they are nowhere. Committees, members, and groups are tabling their budget amendments to the Council position as we speak.
I look forward to working on them and build on European Parliament position that will truly defend European citizens, our social model, and our environment. Parliament will work on its position over the coming weeks, and we look forward to constructive work with the Council and with the Commission. Thank you, Chair.
Janusz Lewandowski
Thank you. Thank you, rapporteur. So we were in the usual annual budgetary game with Council cutting, and we are to recover and be more ambitious. This is this time in parallel with even more difficult negotiations over MFF, so this is exceptional situation. Now time for shadows, starting with Isabel for EPP.
Thank you, Chair.
Isabel Benjumea Benjumea
I will speak in Spanish. Muchísimas gracias al señor ponente por su detallada explicación y apoyo a su rechazo a los recortes propuestos por el Consejo, especialmente si de verdad desde Europa queremos hacer frente a los retos y desafíos que tenemos por delante. Insistimos desde el PPE que la postura del Parlamento ha quedado perfectamente recogida en la resolución aprobada el pasado mes de mayo y por ello creemos que nuestra línea debe ser seguir apoyando al ponente en las líneas que se recogieron en esa resolución. Si la competitividad es uno de los pilares de la Unión, no podemos aceptar entonces una propuesta de recorte de 231 millones a un programa casi capital como es Horizonte Europa o recortes a otros programas destinados a la digitalización o a la innovación. Si la búsqueda de la excelencia en la educación y la sanidad siguen siendo también una prioridad del proyecto europeo, no tiene sentido alguno aceptar recortes de 159 millones a Erasmus Plus o de 43 millones al programa sanitario de la Unión Europea.
Y por supuesto, tampoco podemos aceptar recortes a la seguridad de nuestras fronteras, especialmente después de este verano que hemos visto lo que ocurre en la frontera europea de Ceuta. Y por lo tanto, no podemos aceptar que haya ningún tipo de recorte en relación a la seguridad de nuestras fronteras, la integridad territorial o la libertad en la Unión Europea. Los debates que debemos tener sobre este presupuesto, en nuestra opinión, son otros: cómo financiar el elevado coste de los intereses de la deuda de los fondos Next Generation, principal lastre y limitación para este presupuesto, o cómo financiar el préstamo de ayuda a Ucrania, cómo hacerlo repartiendo equitativamente estas cargas entre los Estados miembros para no castigar así programas esenciales de la Unión que han de hacer frente, como decía al principio, a los grandes desafíos que tenemos por delante. Por lo tanto, a disposición del ponente para trabajar en una posición fuerte y común del Parlamento para las próximas negociaciones. Gracias.
Julien Sanchez
Merci Monsieur le Président, chers collègues, bonjour à tous. Donc je tiens tout d'abord à remercier le rapporteur pour la présentation de ce document de travail.
Nous ne partageons toutefois pas son appréciation générale des réductions proposées par le Conseil. Alors si certaines réductions, Isabelle Benjumea vient de le dire, ne sont pas acceptables, notamment sur la protection des frontières ou sur Erasmus, dans une période où nos États membres et nos concitoyens font face à de fortes contraintes économiques et budgétaires, la prudence dans l'utilisation de l'argent public est une nécessité. Le Conseil propose une réduction d'un peu plus d'un milliard d'euros en crédits d'engagement et de 502 millions d'euros en crédits de paiement par rapport au projet de budget de la Commission. Nous considérons que cet effort de maîtrise des dépenses va dans la bonne direction lorsqu'il concerne des dépenses qui ne constituent pas des priorités. Nous pouvons notamment soutenir les réductions concernant le programme Citoyens, égalité, droits et valeurs, Europe créative.
Nous soutenons également la réduction des crédits destinés à l'Agence de l'Union pour l'asile, ainsi que celle des dépenses du soutien aux familles, le fonds famille, ainsi que toutes les aides à la pré-adhésion que nous combattons. Mais nous considérons qu'il est possible d'aller plus loin dans la réduction de certaines dépenses administratives et de fonctionnement. Nous déposerons ainsi de nombreux amendements au nom du groupe des Patriotes pour des réductions de dépenses, car n'oublions pas que chaque euro dépensé est un euro des contribuables européens et notamment des pays contributeurs nets comme la France.
Nous avons aussi donc un regard très critique sur les dépenses bâtimentaires, sur le SEAE que nous voulons supprimer. Le Comité des régions, je vous invite à regarder le budget du Comité des régions qui est indécent et qui est inadmissible et nous aurons de très nombreux amendements sur ce sujet. Et nous avons également des amendements nombreux sur l'European Economic and Social Committee. Donc sur nous devons aussi nous attaquer au problème de fond de Next Generation. Pour 2027, nous parlons de près de 10 milliards d'euros de coûts de financement liés à EURI.
La Commission prévoit 9,9 milliards d'euros, le Conseil propose de ramener à 9,7. Next Generation nous avait été présenté comme un instrument exceptionnel et temporaire. Ces coûts, eux, sont bien réels et pèsent désormais durablement sur le budget européen. Le coût de cette dette réduit nos marges de manœuvre budgétaires et contribue aujourd'hui aux tensions sur le financement de toutes les autres politiques. Avant d'envisager de nouvelles formes d'endettement commun ou de demander davantage de ressources aux États membres, il faut tirer les leçons de Next Generation, de sa gestion, de son coût réel pour les contribuables.
Enfin, 2027 sera la dernière année du cadre financier pluriannuel actuel. C'est le moment de faire des choix clairs. Réduire donc les dépenses administratives non prioritaires, recentrer les moyens disponibles sur les priorités essentielles, notamment sur l'agriculture. Et nous regardons avec attention le dossier de Monsieur Negrescu sur les moyens à l'agriculture et on travaillera bien sûr sur ce dossier. Notre ligne est simple : il ne s'agit pas de dépenser davantage, mais de dépenser mieux.
Je vous remercie, Monsieur le Président.
Bogdan Rzońca
Thank you so much. Thank you. On behalf of Madame Beata Szydło, I will speak in Polish. Tak. Proszę państwa, mamy świadomość, że to jest ostatni budżet, że jest trudna sytuacja.
Niemniej jednak zawsze stabilnie od lat podkreślamy, że dla nas, dla EKR-u, bardzo ważne jest bezpieczeństwo żywnościowe, rolnictwo, ochrona granic i bezpieczeństwo wewnętrzne. Europejscy rolnicy mierzą się z wysokimi kosztami produkcji, niestabilnością rynku oraz zakłóceniami związanymi z wojną na Ukrainie. Proponujemy dodatkowe wsparcie dla sektora owoców i warzyw, pszczelarstwa, a także zwiększenia finansowania programów promocji rolnictwa, programów szkolnych oraz uzupełniającego wsparcia dochodów dla młodych rolników.
Działania te pomogą chronić gospodarstwa rolne, stabilizować produkcję żywności oraz wspierać wymianę pokoleniową. Wzywamy również do przywrócenia poziomu finansowania Frontexu zaproponowanego w projekcie budżetu Komisji oraz do zwiększenia środków na Fundusz Bezpieczeństwa Wewnętrznego. Te nasze poprawki są ukierunkowane na te obszary, które są w polu widzenia eurorealistów, a więc mówimy o naszej unijnej odporności na problemy w rolnictwie, mówimy o bezpieczeństwie żywnościowym, skutecznej ochronie granic i bezpieczeństwie wewnętrznym. Tego będziemy bronić, zwracamy się do kolegów państwa o to, żebyśmy nawzajem poparli się w tych staraniach. Dziękuję bardzo.
Fabienne Keller
Merci beaucoup Monsieur le Président, je voudrais chaleureusement remercier Nils Ušakovs pour son travail important, pas simple cette dernière année du budget pluriannuel extrêmement contraint et je voudrais saluer son travail.
Je voudrais présenter les excuses aussi de notre shadow rapporteur Moritz Körner. Je serai donc brève. Nous souhaitons bien sûr ne pas accepter les coupes du Conseil. Ce budget est déjà extrêmement contraint. Il faut préserver nos politiques qui ont un effet démultiplicateur, qui sont des politiques qui font avancer les États membres dans une logique de portage de la vision européenne, mais aussi dans le constat de la fin des effets du plan de relance européen et donc il faut aussi en essayer d'en atténuer les effets qui sont assez importants.
C'est ainsi que nous amenderons, mais dans le même esprit que le rapporteur, les fonds concernant la compétitivité, notamment le fonds Horizon. Nous proposerons aussi des crédits complémentaires pour EU4Health, une politique importante. Sur le mécanisme d'urgence dont on a vu l'importance cet été, nous proposerons des montants complémentaires. Il est d'ailleurs tout le temps réalimenté en cours d'année, il est toujours sous-doté en début d'année, comme sur le programme Erasmus tellement important pour notre jeunesse.
Enfin, pour les agences, et notamment celles concernant la sécurité, la migration, nous proposerons des améliorations de leur budget, mais surtout des créations de postes extrêmement ciblés parce qu'il faut être bien sûr efficace, mais d'améliorer l'establishment plan. Pour les autres sections, on fera un tour, Monsieur le Président ? OK. Or do you want me to say it right away?
Fabienne Keller
Pour... pour d'autres sections, je voudrais saluer l'excellente ambiance de travail avec Monsieur Agi-Pontela, même qui n'a pas encore fait sa présentation, et dire qu'on soutient en fait les amendements qui sont des amendements de compromis. Merci beaucoup.
Ignazio Roberto Marino
Thank you, Mr. Chair. Now that the Council has agreed its position on the 2027 budget, I think it is important that we are clear about what Parliament needs to defend as we move further into the negotiation. We are dealing with a very constrained budget, as usual, while the geopolitical situation remains extremely uncertain. This makes it even more important that we are strategic about where we put our limited resources. This summer has given us a very painful reminder of what is at stake.
Across Europe, we have seen devastating wildfires, extreme drought and heat. When we are discussing where to make savings, we should remember that cutting investments in climate adaptation, prevention and resilience does not make the cost disappear. It simply means that we will pay much more later through emergency responses, reconstruction, damage to infrastructure, our economies and most importantly, people's lives. Prevention is not a luxury. It is one of the most cost-effective ways of protecting our citizens and our economy.
I would like to echo the words of Nils Ušakovs and saying that during the MFF revision, Parliament fought to preserve the capacity to respond to unforeseen needs. We need to use the flexibility available strategically, but flexibility cannot become an excuse for underfunding. For our group, this means protecting life, health and humanitarian aid, while ensuring that the budget delivers tangible results for people and for the planet.
I think our objective should be a responsible budget, but also a budget that uses our limited resources wisely, protects our capacity to respond to the unexpected and invests today in resilience so that we do not pay a much higher price tomorrow. Finally, please allow me to add one sentence on other sections on behalf of my colleague Mr. Tegethoff, who would like to thank the rapporteur, the team and the secretariat for the excellent work and would like to express his full support for the compromise proposed by the rapporteur and thank him particularly for updating the compromises in light of the discussion of yesterday. Thank you.
João Oliveira
Thank you chair, I'll speak in Portuguese. Senhor presidente, senhores deputados, a posição do Conselho Europeu relativamente ao orçamento para 2027 é clara: sacrifiquem-se as políticas sociais, de coesão e de investimento público para pagar as opções erradas de apoio à militarização, à guerra, à corrida aos armamentos. Se aumentam os custos com o pagamento da dívida, então cortem-se os recursos destinados à coesão, ao apoio aos sectores produtivos, à investigação, à resposta aos problemas económicos e sociais ou à melhoria das condições de vida.
Estas opções do Conselho Europeu têm uma tradução na frieza dos números do orçamento para 2027. O empréstimo de 90 mil milhões com que a União Europeia decidiu financiar a continuação da guerra na Ucrânia tem já em 2027 1150 milhões de euros de encargos com o pagamento da dívida desse empréstimo. A gestão de fronteiras tem um aumento de 725 milhões de euros. O instrumento para a gestão de fronteiras sobe 681 milhões e a Frontex vê reforçado o seu orçamento em 33 milhões. A rubrica da defesa regista mais 269 milhões de euros, enquanto o mecanismo de financiamento para a indústria do armamento aumenta 222 milhões de euros em 2027.
Em contraste com isto, e para suportar estas opções de aumentos de verbas, o programa Horizonte tem um corte de 231 milhões e meio, o Erasmus+ de 159 milhões e o programa da União Europeia pela saúde 43 milhões de cortes. Regista-se que em relação à política de coesão não há nenhum reforço de verbas face àquilo que já estava previsto aquando da revisão intercalar do atual quadro financeiro plurianual para o último ano.
Não há reforço nenhum de verbas em função e comparação com essa previsão que já estava feita. Naturalmente estas opções sacrificam a resposta que era necessário dar às necessidades dos povos na crise da habitação ou na resposta que era preciso garantir ao aumento do custo de vida e ao aumento dos preços. Sacrifica-se essa resposta que era necessário dar aos povos para sustentar estas políticas erradas com este peso orçamental que estamos agora a discutir.
Alexander Jungbluth
Thank you very much, I will speak in German. Anders als viele meiner Vorredner begrüßen wir in weiten Teilen die Einsparmaßnahmen, die seitens des Rates vorgegeben worden sind. Wir sind der Auffassung, dass in vielen Bereichen Verwaltungsausgaben, Repräsentationsausgaben oder auch Maßnahmen, wo schlichtweg keine Kompetenz der EU sinnvoll ist, reduziert werden können. Und ich möchte das einmal an einem Beispiel festmachen, weil nahezu alle meine Vorredner kritisiert haben, dass es zu Einsparungen im Bereich Erasmus+ gekommen ist.
Ich habe mir mal die Daten der letzten Jahre angesehen, wir haben alleine in den letzten fünf Jahren, also im Zeitraum 2021 bis 2026, einen Zuwachs dieser Mittel von insgesamt 60 %. Und ich muss Ihnen allen sagen, die Zeiten, in denen Programme jährlich um 10, 20 % zunehmen, sind schlichtweg vorbei, weil die Finanzierungsmöglichkeiten für diese Größe eines Haushalts nicht mehr gegeben sind. Es gibt nahezu alle großen Regierungen kritisieren diese Maßnahmen. Und wir werden das nicht mehr hinbekommen. Wir haben in allen großen Ländern Rezession in der Wirtschaft und es ist nicht mehr vermittelbar, dass in dieser Zeit, in der die Mitgliedstaaten in einer starken Rezession sind und jeden Cent umdrehen müssen, die EU immer weiter ihren Haushalt aufblähen möchte.
Insofern sind wir in weiten Teilen beim Rat und gehen diese Einsparungen mit. Wir möchten selbstverständlich auch eine Ausnahme machen, die Kollegin der EVP hat es gesagt, im Bereich der Grenzkontrollen sehen wir furchtbare Bilder, insbesondere an der spanischen Außengrenze. Hier ist ein Punkt, wo wir als Europa solidarisch sein müssen und wir werden diese Grenzkontrollen, diese Streichungen natürlich nicht machen.
Wir sind auch gerne offen dafür, dass wir mehr Geld in Grenzkontrollen geben werden und wir sind selbstverständlich dafür offen, dass es in diesem Bereich wieder Mehrheiten der EVP, ECR, der Patrioten und ESN geben wird. Vielen Dank.
Janusz Lewandowski
Thank you, end of shadows, and now catch the eye, and I know that Mr. Negrescu would like to take the floor.
Victor Negrescu
Thank you, Chair. First of all, I would like to thank the rapporteur, Nils Ušakovs, for his work and for his constructive approach when it comes to this important file. Dear friends, dear colleagues, this is the last budget of this multiannual financial framework. But colleagues, we are the only ones knowing that. People, SMEs, farmers, they do not care this is the last budget of this MFF.
They still expect Europe to deliver. So I come from a country, Romania, where drones are flying around every day. And drones are hitting our shores. And this Commission promised us that it will defend us. That we will have the drone dome.
That we will have a security hub. That we will protect everyone against cyberattacks. That we will support SMEs, farmers affected by the fact that we are near a conflict area, so people are not traveling there and are not investing in a country near a conflict area. But the Commission did not deliver. So my amendments will focus on this very clear message that we need to increase funding for different programs, different lines that will help us resist the current conflict, the current situation, defend people, defend our economy, but also deliver on what has been promised.
And this being said, again, it's not only about the money, it's what we do with it. And it is also important to invest in our resilience, so we'll also come up with an amendment to reinforce the European Prosecutor's Office, so we'll get the money from the people that steal it and finance what we need to finance. Thank you.
Janusz Lewandowski
Thank you. We are to continue geopolitics in the final points today. And now I am asking Mrs. Filipkova from the Commission as our frequent visitor whether she would like to comment our comments.
Lenka Filipkova
Thank you very much, Mr. Chair, and thank you, thank you indeed. So I think on the working document and the assessment of the Council position, we obviously fully concur. We don't believe that there is no, there is any need for further cuts. We believe that we tried very, very hard to, within the tight availabilities, to propose a budget that respects all the commitments, the financial programming. It is true that we proposed some what looks like cuts, but it is not cuts to the program.
We just used when we have additional recoveries or assigned revenue, which we can replace, use to replace the fresh appropriations. While it might look as a cut in the budget, like for Erasmus, it is not a cut to the program. So that, that we need to be very, very clear that also with, with the cut in the voted budget, we still have significant amount of assigned revenue that would actually allow us to increase overall budget. So we really don't support the cuts proposed by the Council. We will come with the amending letter as, as every time to update all we can update.
So both on the, on the final cost of the EURI depending on the final disbursement and the interest cost. We will also see exact the cost of the Ukraine support loan based on the disbursement done by the end of September.
We are waiting for an update of the coefficient for the salary updates from Eurostat so that we can also have a look whether we need to adjust that part. And then we are also looking at the implementation of the current year. So we will also come at the same time with an amending budget to make sure that we implement as well as possible this year and use the availabilities in the most efficient way. So I think that's clear on the Council position and obviously it's very interesting to hear your your positions of the Parliament and we're looking forward for your amendments and then obviously for the discussion that we will have in the conciliation. Thank you very much.
Janusz Lewandowski
Thank you. Now I am asking our general rapporteur whether he is going to comment final final.
Nils Ušakovs
Well, thank you once again for the participation and it looks like on one hand we will have a very challenging procedure next months, but we still have chances to deliver results. Thank you.
Janusz Lewandowski
Thank you. We are moving to the final point and this is on the mission to Poland that was done in end of May this year.
I am dual-use now as chairing... This time this was on section three that is not on administration this time. If this is clear... We have time for anybody who would like to continue now on budget. Yeah, Mr. Hajšel.
Michalis Hadjipantela
Yes, I'm the rapporteur of the other sections. Just as I would like to thank my colleagues for the good words they have said before. Just to inform the committee that we had a meeting yesterday and we are in agreement with the Parliament position in respect of the other sections. It's just we need some clarification about some positions in writing from the Court of Auditors and from the external services.
Once we have these written confirmations our position is agreed and it will be presented whenever is scheduled in the Budget Committee. I want once more to thank all my colleagues for the work, for the working spirit they showed, for all of us for supporting my work and thanks as well the Secretariat for the great job they have done. Thank you very much.
Sandra Gómez López
Sí, thank you. I'm going to speak in Spanish. Sí, yo simplemente quería agradecer quería agradecer la labor que ha hecho el ponente al respecto, pero creo que sí que sería importante reseñar las prioridades que tiene que tener este Parlamento en un momento geopolítico complejo en donde estamos viendo cómo poco a poco se está restando capacidad operativa al Servicio de Acción Exterior.
Lo que es un error estratégico y que por lo tanto desde nuestro grupo queremos que en la medida de lo posible, siendo conscientes de las dificultades o del poco margen presupuestario que existe en estas secciones, sí que entendemos que debemos de recuperar la viabilidad y la operatividad del Servicio de Acción Exterior porque además los recortes se han centrado en cuestiones tan delicadas y tan importantes como la ciberseguridad o la seguridad física de las sedes o de las personas que trabajan. No queremos pensar que algún día lamentemos que en determinados países o en determinadas zonas en conflicto podamos, sin lugar a dudas, lamentar que no haya habido una apuesta en la medida que se merece por la seguridad de las personas que trabajan allí. Así que en ese sentido quiero agradecer pues que estas solicitudes han sido atendidas por el ponente y que reiteraremos que de cara a la conciliación va a ser la prioridad del S&D.
Janusz Lewandowski
For many reasons this is going to be challenging here and for this section. But now finally final, that is point number six, our mission to Poland. And as mentioned several minutes ago, I am dual-use now as I am chairing and also chairing the mission to Poland that was composed of Mr. Hajipantela, Mr. Halicki, Mr. Jean-Marc Germain, Matthias Nemeth.
Many thanks to the secretariat and office and office in Poland for arrangements. Of course, the mission was under the shadow of geopolitics, really, as we were going to the frontline country, eastern flank of of of United Europe. Therefore, security and checking resilience of Poland is like checking resilience and security of the overall European Union. Beginning was was with Warsaw, Frontex, of course, that needs reinforcement under the present conditions, several ministries. I don't want to go through, as you have available extensive report on on the mission, but among our our partners was a strongman of Polish diplomacy, Radek Sikorski, and President of Warsaw Trzaskowski.
But then testing also new infrastructure in Eastern Poland built with EU money, with EU funds, we are moving to Rzeszów, that is the city close to the Ukrainian border. And especially after visiting several projects there, visiting also Jasionka airport, that is the major hub for deliveries for Ukraine, major hub protected by visible missiles, Patriot missiles, and fortunately modernized just before the aggression, just in time before the aggression of Putin on Ukraine. Runway extended to accommodate the largest aircrafts in the world, and by accident the largest of them was landing when we were visiting the airport of Jasionka. But this was really impressive to see what is the state of this investment in resilience of country that is a frontline country, and good to know that Poland is also to make best use almost one quarter of SAFE program to modernize its military equipment.
So this is my short report. The other colleagues are not present, but I see Mr. Hadjipantela ready to comment also. Please.
Michalis Hadjipantela
My comment is that I was very impressed that how is Poland is transform using European Union funds. Poland is a good example of the European Union when you are a positive and an active member of the European Union, how can the European Union can help you and transform the country. I was very impressed with all the places we have met and I believe that Poland will be one of the biggest country of the world very soon, the way I see that, the way they work and the way they and with the infrastructure they have and with the companies they have at the moment in Poland. So it was a very useful visit. We saw in practice how well European Union funds are spent and how well they can help the country and the communities.
And this is a success story of the European Union. Thank you.
Janusz Lewandowski
Thank you for this positive statement.
I should agree, although every country has its own problems. Mr. Janica also would like to comment, although not a part of delegation.
Bogdan Rzońca
Tak, chciałbym się wypowiedzieć, doceniając tę wizytę, która miała miejsce. Miło mi jest słyszeć o tym, że państwo zauważyli region Podkarpacie jako to miejsce i lotnisko w Jasionce jako to miejsce, które jest absolutnie ważne w tej chwili dla przywracania porządku na świecie. Przez dwie kadencje byłem szefem tego regionu. Co prawda samochwała w kącie stała, ale muszę to powiedzieć, że trochę się napracowałem przez osiem lat, żeby to cywilne lotnisko powstało. Mieliśmy wielu przeciwników także w Polsce przeciwko temu lotnisku.
Niemniej jednak udało się przy pomocy wszystkich rządów, które były w Polsce, zbudować cywilne lotnisko ze świetnym pasem startowym, ze znakomitym wyposażeniem i dzięki temu dzisiaj to lotnisko służy celom wojskowym, militarnym w tej dramatycznej sytuacji, jaka jest, dzieje się na Ukrainie. Więc jeśli państwo odnieśli takie miłe wrażenia z tego, co dzieje się w Rzeszowie, na Podkarpaciu, w Jasionce, gdzie bywa dziesięć tysięcy żołnierzy NATO, osiem tysięcy w tej chwili żołnierzy NATO, gdzie bywali żołnierze amerykańscy, niemieccy, holenderscy, właściwie z NATO żołnierze, którzy są tam wraz z systemem Patriot, to jest to dla mnie też bardzo miłe i pewnego rodzaju satysfakcja z tego tytułu, że zrobiliśmy dobre lotnisko, które służy dzisiaj celom także wojskowym.
Janusz Lewandowski
Dziękuję. Jeżeli pan miał udział, to gratuluję. This was in Polish now, the statement, but really this was a mission in the shadow of geopolitics. When modernizing heavily Jasionka airport, nobody was expecting invasion, but it came immediately, finalized just on time before aggression, and now serving as a hub for deliveries to Ukraine. Thank you.
This was the final point, and we are to meet again on 10th of September next week. Thank you.
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