Justice and Home Affairs Committee
8 September 2026
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Justice and Home Affairs Committee House of Lords
00:03 - 00:39
Speaker 3
Order, order, the meeting is now being recorded and public proceedings are beginning. Five, four... Welcome everybody, good morning to this meeting of the Justice and Home Affairs Select Committee in our second evidence session in our inquiry into support for jurors. And we're absolutely delighted to have Kaly Kaul KC in front of us. Just for the record, if you could just give us your name officially and your role.
00:39 - 01:21
Speaker 2
I'm a criminal circuit judge at Wood Green Crown Court. I've been sitting for 16 years, 11 now as a full-time judge and before that six years as a recorder. And I'm obviously a member of the GMB and one of the founder members, so I want to make it absolutely clear, because I don't think the judiciary would have allowed me to come here, that I'm here on behalf of GMB, which means I'm here, yes, on behalf of our judges' division, but the staff, the ushers, the court managers, also the people who support jurors who work with them every day, and the support staff like prison people who deliver the prisoners and who also look after them.
01:21 - 02:11
Speaker 3
Thank you very much. It's very helpful to know. As you know, we're predominantly looking into the support that is or is not provided for jurors, including support that they might get in relation to any traumas from having gone through particularly difficult trials, sexual abuse, murder, whatever it might be. Obviously in doing that it's quite useful for us to know what support, similar support might be being offered to other people within the judicial system. So I wonder if you could just begin by telling us a little bit about, for example, what support is offered to people like you, the post that you hold, in the event that you have problems as a result of particular trials you've dealt with.
02:11 - 02:40
Speaker 2
So I think Professor Cheryl Thomas from University College London has submitted a report to you or will be, I think she has, and she's covered the main lines of support. So we have Pam Assist, which is a company engaged by MOJ, which provides up to six sessions of counselling. We have EMDR. I've had both counselling and EMDR. EMDR is rapid eye movement desensitisation for trauma.
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