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Senate Environment and Communications References Committee (part 1 of 2)

29 September 2025

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The Chair formally opens the Senate hearing on national cultural policy, sets procedural rules and witness obligations, then the Productivity Commission outlines its Treasurer‑commissioned inquiry into data and digital technologies, including initial findings on AI’s productivity potential and proposed copyright ‘gap analysis’.

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Hearing opening and Productivity Commission mandate

12:23

Hearing opening — scope and procedural rules

12:23

Productivity Commission — AI, productivity and copyright case study

16:25

MainCode evidence — Australian LLMs, regulation and reciprocity

21:48

MainCode CEO — Australian LLM design, clean data and level playing field

21:48

MainCode vs big tech — regulation, sovereignty and reciprocity

25:58

Senator Ghosh Q&A — transparency in training and policy levers

34:00

Senators’ scrutiny of Productivity Commission on TDM and modelling

44:45

Productivity Commission challenged — TDM exception and creatives’ interests

44:45

Pocock and PC — licensing, TDM modelling and copyright principles

53:56

First Nations and recording artists — risks of TDM to culture and livelihoods

01:26:57

First Nations music office — ICIP, consent and AI risks

01:26:57

Recording artists panel — opposition to TDM and defence of copyright

02:01:19

Tech council and PC claims rebutted — licensing works, creatives ignored

02:22:08

Collective management bodies and digital rights — licensing mechanisms and human rights

03:03:47

Music industry organisations — collective licensing and legal misstatements

03:03:47

Copyright Agency & Digital Rights Watch — human rights framing and TDM rejection

04:31:10

Authors and publishers — mass scraping, market harms and cultural policy

05:10:00

Authors and publishers — mass scraping, moral rights and national culture

05:10:00

Senate Environment and Communications References Committee (part 1 of 2)

29 September 2025

Senate Environment and Communications References Committee Tue, 30 Sept 2025 Australian Parliament

12:23 - 13:05

Speaker 4

Okay. Well, I will now declare open this hearing of the Senate Environment Communications and References Committee inquiry into the cultural... The national cultural policy, and today's hearing will focus on emerging technology and the impact on creative industries. We are here in Canberra today, and I begin by acknowledging the traditional owners of the land on which we meet and pay our respects to their elders past and present. On behalf of the committee, I welcome everybody here today.

I'm the chair, senator Sarah Hansen Young, and I'm joined today by our deputy chair, senator Gosch, as well as, senator Henderson and, senator Grogan, who is also, joining us online.

13:06 - 13:07

Senator Pocock.

13:07 - 13:23

Speaker 4

And senator Pocock, who's not a regular member of our committee but comes in when, the issue is important. Thank you. This, public hearing and hand side transcript of the proceedings is being made, and the hearing is also being broadcast via the Australian Parliament House website.

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