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Senate Education and Employment Committee (part 2 of 2)

24 August 2026

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Senator Faruqi confirms NUS and NTEU support for fully public, fee‑free universities, then questions student representative Mr Hughes on governance failures, vice‑chancellor pay, corporatisation and whether new equity-linked funds should be subject to strong transparency and accountability requirements focused on low‑SES, First Nations and regional students.

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Civil society witnesses — equity funding and bill limits

00:00

Equity funding and governance — student and staff unions

00:00

Australia Institute — equity CSPs, student choice and underfunding

03:10

Limits of the bill and equity definition — closing expert panel

06:37

Independent experts — managed growth, over‑enrolment and ministerial powers

09:23

New expert panel introduced — Warburton and Norton opening statements

09:23

Norton questioned — over‑enrolment, costs and protectionism

15:11

Smallman on competitive neutrality and ministerial power over internationals

22:34

Warburton and Norton — impact of over‑enrolment penalties and what the bill really does

26:01

Pocock and Norton — transparency, compacts and future over‑enrolment caps

34:17

Department and ATEC — justification of managed growth model and caps

01:02:18

Department and ATEC introduced — Accord rationale for managed growth and needs‑based funding

01:02:18

Student choice, buffers and total pool — ATEC’s defence of the model

01:12:18

Non‑disallowable instruments and international planning level (s 46B)

01:17:50

Scarr vs department/ATEC — Norton’s $500m critique and transition to fully funded places

01:22:56

Behavioural impacts on students and universities — evidence and assumptions

01:29:22

Department and ATEC — equity definitions, needs‑based funding and regional focus

01:41:57

Ministerial power and equity definitions — Faruqi challenges department and ATEC

01:41:57

Needs‑based funding amounts, uses and Job‑ready Graduates review

01:49:00

Regional loadings, mobility and fairness of equity support

01:54:53

ACT disadvantage data gap and improving equity measures and data sharing

01:58:15

Guaranteeing modifiers, Indigenous postgraduate caps and final clarifications

02:05:46

Senate Education and Employment Committee (part 2 of 2)

24 August 2026

Senate Education and Employment Committee Mon, 24 Aug 2026 Australian Parliament

00:00 - 00:10

Speaker 5

I believe in fully funding universities and fully funding universities based on the students that attend those universities. And that does mean regional campuses do need additional funding.

00:10 - 00:22

Speaker 4

Just to NTEU and NUS since you raised that, like you did have a position that universities should be fee-free and fully funded by the government. Do you still both have that position?

00:22 - 00:25

Speaker 1

Absolutely, unequivocally, always.

00:25 - 00:28

Speaker 3

Excellent. How about NTEU?

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