National Resilience Committee
16 April 2026
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National Resilience Committee House of Lords
00:04 - 00:30
Speaker 5
Welcome, mister Brundtenspall and mister Neuberger. We're very grateful for your time. Thank you for coming to help us with our inquiry into national resilience. I should remind you that this is a public session that's being broadcast live. You will both receive a transcript in a day or two's time so that you'll be able to make any small factual corrections for things that have come out wrong in the transcript.
00:30 - 02:10
Speaker 1
And you're both more than welcome to submit any written evidence following up today's session if you think anything needs clarifying or you suddenly remember anything that should have been said that hasn't been said. This is a very awkward room and I apologize for it for the committee with all the members spread out over one side and the acoustics are not superb so if you make sure you can speak more loudly than you think you need to and directly into the mics that would help us all. Thank you very much. We've obviously got a lot of questions to ask you and before each of you ask answers the for the first time, perhaps you could just introduce yourselves so that we've got that for the tape. And I will kick off with the with the first question, if I may.
And that was to ask you whether you could just summarize what cyber risks what kind of cyber risks The UK has experienced in recent years, what the balance might be between malign hostile state actors and common or garden criminals after ransom, for example, and whether there are any indications of what vulnerable businesses do that make themselves more vulnerable, that that could be avoided with knowledge and preparation. Perhaps mister Bruntenspaul, you could begin.
02:11 - 02:53
Speaker 2
Thank you very much and thank you for having me here. I'm Michael Brunton Spall. I'm the deputy director for cyber services within the government cyber unit within the department for science innovation and technology and I'm also the deputy government c s o, so the the the deputy, government chief information security officer. And we're responsible for, the government cyber action plans, so how government itself is protecting itself against cyber threats. I I think, it's been we've been pretty clear and very public about the fact that the UK government and public sector faces, like, a critically high cyber and digital resilience risks as a result of an escalating threat environment.
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