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Health Bill

7 July 2026

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The Committee scrutinises the abolition of HSIB and its integration into CQC, focusing on whistleblowing, safety culture, investigatory independence and governance, before moving to decisions on clauses 59–61 and examining how clauses 62–63 reshape CQC review powers, prosecution time limits and enforcement capacity after NHS England’s abolition.

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HSIB integration into CQC and CQC enforcement powers

15:25

HSIB integration into CQC — whistleblowing, culture and governance

15:25

Whistleblower protection and patient safety culture

15:25

Chair resumes — whistleblower safe space

15:25

Joe Robertson — conflict of interest and CQC

16:02

Dr Peter Prinsley — patient safety culture

19:46

Minister’s rationale for HSIB reform and integration into CQC

20:54

Minister Karin Smyth — rationale for changing HSIB

20:54

Minister — Dash review scope and culture change

24:12

Minister — HSIB transfer rationale and safe space protections

28:13

Minister — CQC investigatory powers and governance model

33:34

Minister — amendments 55–56: investigatory powers, charging and funding

33:34

Minister — opposition to CQC statutory committee amendment

38:31

CQC powers and committee decisions on HSIB clauses

42:53

Committee votes — clauses 59–61 and related amendments

42:53

Clause 59 and Schedule 8 — division and handling of amendments 55, 56 and 5

42:53

Clauses 60 and 61 — contested stand‑part divisions

47:13

Clauses 62–63 — CQC review and enforcement powers

50:15

Clause 62 — Minister’s explanation and HSIB independence query

50:15

Clause 63 — Minister extends CQC prosecution window

53:36

Q&A — Dr Johnson on limitation, commencement and funding

56:27

Clause 64 — Abolition of Healthwatch England and new patient voice model

59:51

Clause 64 — Government case for Healthwatch reform

59:51

Clause 64 — Minister’s rationale and Healthwatch background

59:51

Clause 64 — Minister defends abolishing Healthwatch England

59:51

Dr Johnson — history and impact of Healthwatch

01:04:04

Healthwatch performance and case for ICB‑embedded patient voice

01:25:19

Dave Robertson — Mid Staffs, Francis report and uneven Healthwatch performance

01:25:19

Healthwatch and maternity scandals — failures of patient voice

01:30:08

Robertson — support for Bill’s model: embedding patient voice in ICBs and DHSC

01:33:54

National Healthwatch abolition — MPs’ concerns and Minister’s defence

01:08:58

Healthwatch abolition — independence, patient fear and funding

01:08:58

Dr Johnson — loss of Healthwatch independence and accountability

01:08:58

Dr Danny Chambers — patient fear, conflicts of interest and new clause 48

01:14:53

Opposition MPs — risks of abolishing Healthwatch England

01:36:38

Edward Argar — loss of Healthwatch England independence and centralisation risk

01:36:38

Peter Prinsley — new clause 74: impact report on integrating Healthwatch

01:39:51

Gregory Stafford — external evidence against abolishing Healthwatch England

01:41:16

Gregory Stafford — GIRFT experience and limits of new clause 74

01:44:06

Joe Robertson — centralisation and loss of independent scrutiny

01:47:08

Minister: central Patient Experience model and Healthwatch funding

01:52:02

Minister Karin Smyth — defence of embedding patient voice in DHSC

01:52:02

Liz Twist and Helen Morgan — independence and funding of Healthwatch

01:56:09

Minister — transparency, ICB duties and post‑Bill evaluation

02:01:15

Clauses 64–67 — Abolition of Healthwatch and emergency duties

02:04:19

Clause 64 decision and move to clause 65

02:04:19

Clause 64 and Schedule 9 — vote to abolish Healthwatch England

02:04:19

Clause 64 and Schedule 9 — division and agreement

02:04:19

Clause 65 — Minister’s case and initial objections

02:06:16

Clause 65 and Schedule 10 — Minister on abolishing local Healthwatch

02:06:16

Dr Caroline Johnson — objections to internalising local Healthwatch

02:08:43

Backbench concerns — abolition of independent Healthwatch

02:12:55

Backbench MPs — risks of moving Healthwatch into ICBs

02:12:55

Helen Morgan — defence of local Healthwatch independence

02:12:55

Edward Argar — ICBs ‘marking their own homework’

02:20:22

Gregory Stafford — defence of independent local Healthwatch

02:27:57

Gregory Stafford — local Healthwatch independence challenge

02:27:57

Surrey NHS and council evidence — value of an external ‘third eye’

02:31:40

Croisdale‑Appleby — 50 years of independent patient voice

02:33:58

Patients Association and public trust in independence

02:37:17

Reaching seldom‑heard communities — limits of in‑house engagement

02:39:56

Variation in local Healthwatch — funding versus structural flaw

02:41:41

Healthwatch’s accountability role and unanswered replacement questions

02:45:24

Gregory Stafford — constitutional case for independent patient voice

02:47:01

NHS governance changes, patient voice and emergency duties

02:52:01

Clause 65 — Healthwatch abolition and patient voice in ICBs

02:52:01

Joe Robertson — independence, transparency and hospice case study

02:52:01

Joe Robertson — centralisation and loss of local Healthwatch insight

02:58:30

Minister — clause 65: rewiring ICBs for patient voice

03:03:06

Clauses 66–67 — NHS emergency duties and structural changes

03:26:23

Clause 66 — clarifying NHS trusts’ civil contingencies duties

03:26:23

Clause 67 and Schedule 11 — consequential changes from abolishing NHS England

03:28:07

Regulatory powers and maternity safety provisions

03:31:43

Medicines regulation — MHRA powers and parliamentary control

03:31:43

Medicines and MHRA regulation — new clauses 91–95

03:31:43

Minister — new clauses 91–95 on MHRA flexibility

03:31:43

Dr Caroline Johnson — scrutiny of medicines regulations

03:36:32

Minister and Chair — adoption of new clauses 91–95 and 20–23

03:38:53

Maternity safety clauses and Government response

03:45:05

Maternity safety — commissioner, CQC duties and workforce

03:45:05

Helen Morgan — new clause 1: statutory maternity commissioner

03:45:05

Helen Morgan — new clause 13: CQC ratings and maternity investment

03:50:26

Dr Caroline Johnson — maternity commissioner, reports and staffing

03:52:58

Minister — acceptance and design of maternity commissioner

03:55:37

Minister — rejection of CQC ratings duty and workforce commitments

04:00:02

New clauses 1 and 2 — withdrawal after ministerial assurances

04:01:46

NHS digital sovereignty proposals and divisions

04:02:48

NHS digital sovereignty — proposals, scrutiny and votes

04:02:48

Introduction of NHS digital sovereignty clauses 3–5

04:02:48

Dr Danny Chambers — new clauses 3–5 on NHS digital sovereignty

04:02:48

Dr Danny Chambers — questions to Minister on Palantir, risk and strategy

04:10:26

Scrutiny of risk assessments, ‘buy British’ duties and Minister’s rejection

04:12:16

Dr Johnson — critique of digital risk assessment and buy‑British duties

04:12:16

Chambers clarification and Argar’s questions on new clause 4

04:15:58

Minister — opposition to new clauses 3–5 and response on FOI for private providers

04:19:42

Final remarks, votes on new clauses 4–5 and adjournment

04:25:02

Chambers’ closing remarks, divisions on new clauses 4 and 5, and adjournment

04:25:02

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Health Bill

7 July 2026

Health Bill Tue, 7 Jul 2026 Actual start 13:45 House of Commons

15:24 - 15:30

Speaker 1

Order. Dr. Caroline Johnson was mid-intervention, I believe.

15:30 - 16:00

Speaker 2

Thank you, Chair. It was just that my honorable friend was talking about the importance of perception of the safe space in relation to people being able to come forward and fears that whistleblowers in particular might feel. And I was just wondering if he agreed with me that it's not just the perception that causes potential whistleblowers to worry, but actually if they read the newspapers on a regular basis or on social media, they will see examples of people who have suffered mistreatment as a result of having been whistleblowers.

16:00 - 16:01

Joe Robertson.

16:01 - 16:18

Speaker 3

Of course, the shadow minister is absolutely right. Perception is a problem, but the reality on the ground is perhaps the even greater problem. And both of those are issues here with what the government plans.

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